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Publishing DAO, and its holy grail

Note this idea has been around for a while, i decided to put it in a blogpost.

If we have Swarm functionality with Ethereum, this in effect becomes more than just storage, because Swarm magnet links in contracts can be controlled by the contracts, and a Name Registry contract can name the contract as being the way people arrive at the website.

This means that the files are essentially real assets of the contract. The contract cannot make the files, however, the rules of the contract determine when a file is accepted.

Publishing DAO

These files can be used to host web pages. Now, it is easy to imagine having magnet links be the text, and advertisements of said pages. The contract can enforce the presence of the advertisements for a period of time, including conditions like being paid for, or arbitrary other ones.

Another source of income would be payment-without-powerplay.(aka donations) The default of the viewer could be to remove ads where donations are made. (of course this would be trivial to override)

How do you organize it, though. Who writes the articles, gets paid for them, decides what advertisements to accept.

One way is to have a sort-of co-operative with people that agree on who add to the group. They write articles and (delegative)vote on where to put them, and which ads to accept where, and how to use the money. Selecting the ads can also be sort-of automatic, picking the higher-paying one. Or merely automatic until a vote overrides. (half-baked code)

Holy grail of Publishing DAOs

However, the above requires a group of people to agree to add people to the DAO. What if it could just accept anyone? In order to do so, you have to stop plagiarism, and determine what files are useful. Two things:

  1. Each file is (possibly)derived from some other set of files, to different degrees.

  2. One thing that is already trivial, is timestamping files. This means we dont necessarily need the direction of how files were derived from each other.

If (1) can be figured out, anyone can join simply by doing stuff, and payments from both advertisement and donations can flow down the graph. Besides the effort needed to achieve (1), it is a zero-barrier-to-entry and zero-overhead publishing scheme. Hence, holy grail'.

Because income flows down the derived-from graph, it is not necessary to estimate the value of files. Advertisements and donation decide that.

I have no illusions, none of the ideas below are sure to work. They also may still need an limited aspect of delegative voting to help advertise itself, and manage what advertisement to accept where.

Using Reputation?

The most general idea i know is to have some sort of reputation system, where people repute each other, and try figure out whether files depend on each other, their reputation is punished or rewarded depending on the accuracy, and they may also get a fraction of the DAOs income.

These reputation systems “are good because the currently reputed users are good” and stay good for the same reason. So it might be tricky to figure out how to do this with decent certainty that it will keep working. The approach can be changed midway, though. The DAO has sources of information to estimate reputation, each with different interests, including who is donating, buying ads, creating files and estimating derivativeness, and perhaps some other functions, like advertising-for the DAO.

Internal structure?

In a wiki, derived-from could be seen as clear, and instead of figuring out derivated-from, the goal could be to try stop bad edits.(also hard)

In software development, you could use repositories of software. Users expecting the proper names,(the DAO could have a namereg for this) not wanting duplicate dependencies, and decency between programmers could conspire to get the dependency graph be the derived-from graph.(Idea due to Casey Kuhlman)

A more technical internal-structure approach is a system of proofs, you could put up a claim that something is a new theorem, which can be challenged. Perhaps the length of the statements to get to the same statement could be used to determine whether the theorem is really new. The derived-from’s would be the theorems and axioms used.

Similarly, that could be used to try find equivalent programs, to create software, or perhaps also hardware.

Blog Posts

2021-07-17 Type Stack Calculation project intro
2020-08-26 Camcorder planet viewing
2020-05-15 I Made a Sha256 based port knocking program
2017-12-26 Probably kindah like a Snowflake simulation
2017-10-29 More Pixel fun turtles
2016-09-22 Pixel fun - messing with turtles
2016-05-17 Finally put together page_html
2015-11-12 libre decentralized software
2015-02-03 Tinfoilchat inspired ideas
2015-01-07 Public goods and business models
2014-12-22 Captcha Quicky
2014-12-12 Assurance contract mention
2014-11-21 Publishing DAO, and its holy grail
2014-11-02 Grudge escrow contract
2014-09-11 The core Blockchain idea
2014-06-03 Hanging blocks
2014-05-29 Voting power needed for DAO/DO decisions
2014-05-17 What is Ethereum to people?
2014-05-08 Just show up anytime jobs
2014-05-08 Proof of Reserve and voting
2014-05-08 DHTs: more than just storage